John Ratcliffe wrote:Bernard 2007 wrote:
1. No, it does not. The effective tank of my Raven Navy Issue is 459 points per second before Crystals, cap stable at 49% with AB off without implants. Without Crystals you might need a warpout in some missions, with crystals you will never need to warp out.
2. Overtanking means you kill slower, killing slower means you need more DPS to attain the same mission run times.
3. As long as the CNR can attain a sufficient tank without sacreficing damage or mobility, it will remain a better choice.
In very simple terms, the CNR has enough tank for any mission and more damage then the SNI, it will therefore always attain better completion times then what the SNI will. And therefore it is better.
1. You didn't mention anything about Crystals, that's an unnecessary expense. A decent Lvl 4 fit should not require them to work. A decent fit should never require a warp out of any mission.
2. With Lvl 5 skills and 2 CN Invuls your resists are: 57.9 EM, 66.3 TH, 74.7 KI & 78.9 EX - No offence but that is just not good enough. I'd never go on a mission without the relevant resists being at least 80% - that's not overtanking, it's common sense.
3. I don't agree. The only thing that's better is an extra launcher and I've told you at least once that the reality is that it doesn't make a difference. It's one extra missile per salvo. I used a CNR for at least 6 months before swapping to the SNI and I see no difference in terms of mission completion times.
1. It's an investment, as long as using crystals allows you to drop defense in other places, you should use them.
2. Resists mean jack ****.
3. I'm a goddamn TV salesman, 95% of the people I sell TV's too can't see the difference between a TV costing 300 euroes and 3000. That doesn't mean there isn't a difference, it just means they're idiots. Now, let me prove to you that you're an idiot too? Wouldn't that be fun?
The scorpion gets:
4 lows
8 mids
7 highs
8 effective turrets
ROF Bonus and Shield Resist Bonus
The Golem gets:
4 lows
7 mids
7 highs
8 effective turrets
Double damage bonus, Range Bonus, Shield Boost Bonus, Explosion Velocity Bonus, Target Painter Bonus, Tractor Beam Bonus.
Now lets compare the two ships using only the lowslots and highslots, ignoring mids.
Scorpion:
Highs - 6x CN Cruise Launcher or Cruise Launcher II, filled with Tech 1 or possibly Tech 2 Ammo.
Lows - 4x CN BCUs or 3x CN BCUs and 1x DDA.
Golem:
Highs - 4x CN Cruise or Cruise II launchers, filled with Faction Ammo or possibly Tech 2 ammo.
Lows - 4x CN BCUs or 3x CN BCUs and 1x DDA.
Whaaaat? Using Faction Ammo on Golem but not on Scorpion? That's cheating.
No it's not, it's using common sense. The Golem uses less ammo because of it's slow ROF and double damage bonus. Meaning that using faction ammo is simply common sense.
Okey, but lets ignore that! Lets say youre an idiot, and you use Tech 1 Ammo on both ships? Which is better then?
The GOLEM. Again.
The 25% explosion velocity bonus makes sure it gets better damage projection. Which means even using the same launchers and same ammo, the Golem will deal more damage in practice.
Okey, lets ignore that too! Lets look at the tanks using midslots only! (But include an AB or MWD on both)Golem:
CN Invuln
CN Invuln
Pith A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier
Gist A-Type EM Ward Field
Cap Recharger II
Core X-Type 100mn Microwarp Drive (offline)
699 DPS omnitank per second with all level V skills, 69,5k EHP (Yeah, that's low!)
Scorpion Navy Issue:
CN Invuln
CN Invuln
Pith A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier
Shield Boost Amplifier
Gist A-Type EM Ward Field
Cap Recharger II
Core X-Type 100mn Microwarp Drive (offline)
777 DPS omnitank per second, 90k EHP (w00t w00t)
Scorpion wins, the pointless battle. 699 DPS Omnitank per second is enough for any mission in the game with the damage projection and DPS of both of these ships and with similar fits they will have similar tanks. Oh, and Golem is cap stable at 53% like that, SNI is not cap stable.
In other words, even if you were to argue SNI beeing better then CNR. Golem will always be better then SNI.
Which means I win!